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On this page: History vs. His-story, the story myth.
Mt. Hua-Yo
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Pinnacles of Success

History  vs. Myth

Chinese martial history is often a story of famous people in famous places with amazing  amounts of knowledge and ability.  These stories are often ..complete, ...believeable, and ...cohesive.  However, mostly, none of them are true.  The history ...has been filled in where absent, ...the hero made greater than normal, and ...the events and places connected by leaps and shifts in time. Sometimes this is done in innocence, sometimes by cunning, and sometimes by students or family or a remote village creating it to save face or to give honor and/or to continue their story telling.  When the story starts with a mountain place [so high none could life there] with a great man who had the genius and time to write innumerable great books [of which none are now available] and a humble villiage or humble traveler was the lucky inheritent...mythical-legend meets commoners' wishful-wanting.  Also, following some of the principles of information theory, it is more easy to continue...go along with the forward momentum, of the story, than it is attempt to
traverse backwards through its' linkages.
History is like a chain letter, it has a beginning which may be untraceable fully back, but in its' progress-telling, it is addended with (1)  Concepts:   Taoist ~ Buddhist,    Alchemist ~Cosmology~Numerology (2)  Study-Centers:  Mt. WuTang--Hebei ~ Mt. Hua--Shensi ~ ShaoLin-Henan. (3)  Time: Dynastys, and (4)  People; ..each is resulting in the corruption and a bifurcation of facts...much like a chain-letter; a man with a big, blue, fish, becomes, a big man with a fish blue, and a big blue fish-man. Each junction of change influences both the direction and the timing [clocks] what follows.
   Words change their meaning, appearance, and usage overtime: the word Qi (chi) had a closer meaning to 'flow~spirit' than it does now as 'energy'; the idea of Qi before was as unclear as it is now. The word dao (tao) now is used as 'the way', before, its' meaning was man's making of order.. a treking path across a wet, flooded field.
 

Climbing the Chain-ladder
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A trek to the top of Mt.Hua

  The subject-divisions chosen for elaboration are as follows:
(1)  Concepts:  Taoist, Buddhist, Alchemists, Cosomolgy, Numerology.  Concept-Application: health-exercise ~ martial-exercise  Most martial history authorities accept that the concept of water as a widely used simple symbol for the more complex concept of 'spirit'; both the name 'water' and 'spirit' were applied to various exercises and concepts. Early exercises were called 'river', 'long', or 'soft' and flowing.  Cosmological concepts existed as 'central', 'foundation', by importance: greater, lesser, and temporal: before, after,  etc.  Such names as tai-chi and ba-gua existed early, mostly theoretical guides or were part of prognostication, but their application to exercise principles or form patterns did not occur until much, much later eg. 1200-1400 and by then the intrepretations of each had changed.
 

(2)  Time-Event:
Pre-Sung; First-Sung Dynasty: circa 900AD-990AD;
Tang-Dynasty
 
 

The locations of interest involve both province, place, and 'centers' within them, these clusters are connected for various ideological reasons or by geography.  It should also be noted that WuTang Shan, -JiuHua Shan-,  Huang Shan create both cluster of mountain barriers north to south and between them exists a collective source of some of the most esoteric philosophers; ...big minds perhaps benefit from big mountains.
  • Shao Lin [Little Forest Temple] in Henan
  • Mt. WuTang [Tai-He=supreme harmony; xuan yue] in Hebei
  • Mt. Hua [Xi-Yo=west pinnacle] in Shensi
  • Mt. Jiu Hua [nine flower mountain] in Anhui
  • Mt. Huang ['yellow'] in Anhui

 

Mt.Hua Pinnacle
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High, perilous prison

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  Mount Hua is the legendary, unproven locale-source of teachings/documents /myths regarding Taoist recluse-scholar-advisor Chen Po and an exercise or group of health/martial exercises attributed to him. Currently the martial exercise is called 'water' boxing and at one time 'spirit' boxing. The jumps and transference of 'water-spirit' exercise from Mt.Hua or Chen Po to the now named LiuHeBaFa exercise is quite dubious and unaccepted by martial-arts historians.  

Connections to Mount Hua [HwaYo, XiYo, XiHua] :
(+)The name Hua Yo or Hua Pinnacle is symbolic as a symbolic 'apex' of knowledge; it remains today as a symbol for high hopes or ability. Hua-shan-style health or martial exercise itself has a legendary history and is usually referred to as unique and to the highest standard.The name 'tai chi' is also used as the 'supreme' and of the 'ultimate'...in a physical and cosmological sense.
(+) The name Mt.HuaYo has been associated with a poem title about LHPF=six-harmony combinations, eight methods; the origininator of the poem is unknown, but is either credited to Chen Po at Mt.Hua or to Li DongFeng at Mt. QiYun in Anhui.
(+) HuaYo is also a distinct mixed martial style: marketed in Boston by HongKong teacher John Chung Li who studied the variants of LHPF and under instruction from friend and YiQuan teacher Han XingYuan, they redesigned the LHPF to be more YiQuan inclusive; LiChung's taichi teacher-friend: T.T. Liang (a famous teacher of the Chen ManChing-style of tai-chi in Boston)  suggested to Mr. Li to market this unknown exercise under the already public known 'tai-chi' name as HwaYu Tai Chi. Also of interest, recent emergence of 'Shanghai'-style LiuHeBaFa~water-style shows strong influcence of yiquan forms not evident in the Nanking style of Wu YiHui. LiChung was also part of a group of private students in Hongkong who learned an exercise system called HunYuan, this is remarkably similar to LHBF, but is based on small spiraling motions; this later was incorporated in Li Chung's teachings. Overall Msr. Li's teachings purposely distance themselves from usual, traditional LHBF.

(+) HuaYue-Tai Chi is the name and spelling of the current version of Li Chung's LHPF+YiQuan as being developed in Denmark; [either spelling of HwaYu, HuaYo, or HuaYue are used in China, thus the 'denmark' spelling of HuaYue is quite acceptable] Hua Yue Tai Chi Institut info@huayuetaichi.dk

Hua-Shan~Hua-Yo:  Nearly every reference to this mountain as a source of exercise refers to it as either HuaYo~Hua peak or as XiYo~west flower mountain. A note: chinese and their use of language often is aware and concerned about the use of homonyms, words that sound similar, thus Hua-Shen~flower-Mt. + spirit refers to the goddess of flowers: bai hua shen; also Hua-Xin~flower + heart refers to the 'heart of the flower', slang, vagina. A more common and direct interpretation is that the cluster of peaks known as Huashan, collectively is five pinnacles; incorporating chinese symbolics, the lotus flower, lien hua (lien being a homonym for 'link') it becomes a comparison, the cluster of peaks reminds one of the clustering of a lotus flower. With this in mind, the usual translation of Huashan as 'flower' mountain or as 'resplendent' mountain is somewhat incorrect.

It is said that the Chinese 'see' with their ears, meaning, there is pictures in the word, saying that you practice famous Hua-xin-yi could be interpreted in an amusing alernate way.

References: Hua Shan :
http://medicine.webhostme.com/huashan.htm
http://www.damo-qigong.net/huashan.htm
http://www.letsgo.com/CHI/06-CentralChina-112
http://www.letsgo.com/CHI/06-CentralChina-85?PHPSESSID=8f26f117a146878271351cd9dd06f9a2
http://www.letsgo.com/CHI/06-CentralChina-3

Chen Tuan = Master XiYi
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a stone-rubbing from Mt.Hua

(4)  People and Places, ...all of reknown.

It would be simple to accept given history that a modern exercise is 'said' traceable thru 'lineage' teachers back to a reknowned 'person-sage' and 'famous' mountain. The cluster of information surrounding either Mt.Hua [or to its' resident sage Chen Tuan of Po], or Anhui, each is a story-centers.  It is also interesting to go further back to learn that some of the history may have been 'shared'.  Mt. Hua also has an association with the famous physician-surgeon Hua-T'o [hua being as the mountain and his name]; he was also called: Hua Yuan Hua = Mt.Hua 'original' + 'change'. Hua-T'o is also credited with the creation of a five-movement exercise for health [also sometimes credited to Chen Po]; the temple-tomb of Hua T'o is at Mt.Hua also. 

Sage :   Chen Bo =Chen Po, Tu'an [ = Chen HsiYi= Chen Xi-I]   According to the 26 Logs of Chinese History, Chen Po was born in An-Hui. http://www.purpleking.com/html/history.htm   He studied and practiced Taoism in the Hua Shan Mountain  http://www.damo-qigong.net/huashan.htm and developed numerous health exercises http://www.damo-qigong.net/index.htm  There is a  collection of three essays and five translations on the Song Daoist saint and
immortal Chen Tuan http://www.threepinespress.com.chentuan.php3

History regarding Chen Po are either from ...the martial view: http://www.liuhopafa.com/chenpo.htmhttp://www.liuhebafa.com/history.htm
...or they are critcal scholarly reviews of taoist principles and taoist priests:
http://www.gb.taoism.org.hk/taoist-world-today/taoism&us/pg7-7-3-7.htm
http://www.healingtaousa.com/articles/taoalchemy_ch10.htm
http://www.eng.taoism.org.hk/general-daoism/eminent-philosophers&accomplished-daoists/pg1-4-22.asp
http://www.orientalia.org/subject-Chinese

Tomb of Hua T'uo
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at Hua Shan
Doctor ...on the Mountain :
It is interesting that the famous doctor/surgeon Hua T'uo, at a previous time, is said to have lived, studied, taught, and is now entombed at Mt.Hua.  Doctor Hua's entry into this history is of inerest: as the said developer of a 'five-animal' health-dance [said of influence to Chen Po; and also to xing-yi and many others]; also, even now, the Chinese government has stated, that even without University Certifications, if they had someone of the abilities of a Hua T'uo, they would use him as a rural doctor [...then Chen Po as a philosopher, having no formal credentials also, would he be used as a teacher??] 

MEETINGS : with master Chen Po

  • Chao KuangYin [Emperor First Sung, Chao-lineage]
  • HuoLung-'fire' drgaon; Mt.Hua~WuTang ~Chang SanFeng~WuTang
  • Lee, TungFung; => Sung, YuenTung, his 'student'.

Sage meets King:  Reputedly, Chen Po met Emperor Chao, Kuang Yin, in 960 AD.  There are two stories:  (1.) Chen Tuan taught  King Chao an exercise to maintain his health: tai chi-chih, the ruler-method of taiji-principle practice.  The taiji-ruler exercise then came under then Chao family lineage for its transmission; it has been taught under the same name by many in America, but has been either incorrectly interpreted/taught or reworked into a 'kinder-gentler' taiji in comparison with the Yang-family version of taiji-principles which have a long history of development from principles introduced into and mixed with Chen-family exercises. (2) King Chao is also credited with developing Tai Tzu Chang Chuan .

Chang 'san-feng'
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'three-hills' of myth

Sage meets Sage:  The story regarding Chang SanFeng and WuTang is untrue; the existence of Chang 'three-hills' is questionable and appears to be a mythic-figure only; tai-ch'i principles can be easily shown to have existed in the Tang Dynasty.  A creditable linkage would be that a protege of Chen Po went to WuTang; the  reverse story that Chen Po first went to WuTang before going to Mt.Hua is plausible,  but suggests that WuTang 'taught' ChenPo his exercises. Ultimately, the relation between Mt. Hua and WuTang becomes the more important story, not between Chen Po and a Chang SanFeng.  The story that Chang realized the principles upon viewing a fight between a bird and and snake is not original; the same visualization is claimed for the origins of WingChun boxing.

Mythical Life of Chang San Feng 
P. Garofalo
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/chang1.htm
John Hancock http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/9536/chang.html
Ottawa Martial
http://www.geocities.com/ottawakungfu/200TaiChi002.htm
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/history.html
http://www.chinavoc.com/kungfu/cbox_taiji.htm

Sage's Proteges: HuoLung-'fire' drgaon; aka Jia DeSheng, is reputed to have traveled to and introduced a 'soft' boxing to WuTang; if true, Mt.Hua is the source of principles, later exiting from WuTang. There does exist two strands of 'history' : (1) Wutang exercise differs from all later 'tai-chi's' and is alleged to teach a 'secret waving-hands' form. (2) a 'visitor'  entered into Chen-family village [which is just south of Shaolin temple] and a mixing occured with existing Chen-family village boxing-forms. How and who and when a Mt.Hua~WuTang link transpired and if it has any linkage at all to Chen-family village or is a separate ancedote remains unclear.

Sage's Proteges+2: At Yun Shan, in S.E. Lok district, a Li DongFeng =Lee, TungFung claims to have 'discovered' documents 'in a cave', the tomb of ChenTuan; these are the so-called LiHeBaFa-verses; his student, Sung, YuenTung is credited with elaborating these verses in document called five-word secrets, as each verse is of 5 characters. However, such 'wordy' secret-message poetry is pervasive in all chinese esoteric teachings, the number of words, five or seven, is insignificant; a knowledge of the subject matter is required for understanding.

Seasonal Exercises 2x12=24
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claimed of Chen Po Hsi-I

Legacy-Largacy:

Exercises:  Tai-Chi-Ruler:  tai-chi-chih qigong-newstai-chi-chih:  Tai-ji-Ruler
Hua-Shan QiGong: Qi-gong named for Mt.Hua, likely unrelated
Hua-Shan KungFu: teacher Sin KwangThe: Wu-gong-named for Mt.Hua+5-animals

Exercises: Hua-shan QiGong:  In researching references for HuaShan exercises/qi-gong I have come a site claiming to be a  'hua-shan' exercise or a 'swimming dragon' exercise of hua-shan-qigong; this is completely unclear.  Doctor Nianzu Li, Song Ho Health Center. (Longevity/Peaceful Feeling Health Center) 10204 Sutherland Road Silver Spring, MD 20901, 301-754-0700   email: songhohealth@msn.com

TRACY PECK, M.Ac., L.Ac.  eastgate@concentric.net "Studied Hua Shan & Taoist Qigong 1988-1990 with Nianzu Li."  http://www.magictortoise.com/peck.htm

Chen Po 'dream' meditation
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Statue at Mt.Hua

Meditative-exercises: Dream-sleep, dream meditation, Water-wash: http://www.ctn.com.cn/china/huashan/
Chen Tuan presided over a revival of Taoist neigong practices, especially his Taoist Dream Practice. http://www.healingtaousa.com/huashan.html

http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/stepstoinsanity/taodream.html

Hua Shan School of Taoism: 'Earlier Heaven Wu-chi' sect
International Taoist Tai Chi Society :  Volunteer-run non-profit charitable organization promoting Taoist Tai Chi and other Taoist health-promoting arts. World Directory, events. Developed by Moy Lin-Shin, trained in the Earlier Heaven Wu-chi sect of the Hua Shan school of Taoism.

Chen Tuan Symbols:
Joseph A. Adler Zhou Dunyi: The Metaphysics and Practice of Sagehood 
http://www2.kenyon.edu/depts/religion/fac/adler/Reln471/CHOU.htm

ChenTuan and divination I-ching 
http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2002/7/8/1092.html
http://www.zhengjian.org/zj/articles/2002/6/8/16384.html

Statue of Chen Tuan
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'a source' for TongBei

Marital Exercise named for Mt.Hua [or from/at Mt.Hua] and the 'Five-animal' sport.
Bai Yuan Tong Bei Chuan:  It is claimed that White Ape-Through-Back Fist-Boxing, originated with Mst. Chen; it consists of:
Six Prime Skills
Eight Older Fists
Twelve Linking Fists
Twenty-four Posture Form
Thirty-six Take Apart Fist
Weapons
 
Game: the Sword of Mt.Hua  http://physics.hkbu.edu.hk/~lhung/wulin.html 
"The centre of wulin houses the most prominent societies of martial arts in the Fairy Land of Drinking Horse. These are Shaolin and Wudang, in which many secret scripts of supreme kungfu unheard and untouched are securely treasured. These two dragons of yang and yin are in turn surrounded by the Five Swords, which forms a central ring in wulin. Since the fall of Tang Dynasty, this core structure had been shunned by the government very much. Struggles and intrigues took place there many many times. Centuries later, the structure had almost entirely cut themselves off the feudal politics, and eventually formed the basis of a new community called wulin."

'Water' ~ Mt. Hua ~ Numerology: Summary

(1) is both the name of a teaching poem, the  6x8-verses,  said to have been 'found' by Lee, TungFung; his student, Sung, YuenTung is the given author of their elaboration the 5-word-verses.

(2) the name of a 'long-form' exercise taught by Nanking teacher Wu YiHui;  The current lineage teacher Choi WaiLun and other teachers more often refer to their exercise as 'HuaYu' in praise [acceptable], as a high-standard [symbolic], and as a origin-source [dubious] ...as HuaYu XinYi LiuHeBaFa: this expression is simple two parts: 'Mt Hua central ideas'+ 6x8.

(3) LHPF is a school name encompassing a collective body of forms [ie. LHPF+qigongs+animal-forms+swimming dragon forms addended and augmenting taught by Wu YiHui]  Water boxing seems to be used both during the Sung Period and Water boxing is used in Shanghai in 1930-1940's 

(4) the water-boxing name, however, is reaffixed to the LiuHeBaFa exercise emerging into America by various teachers; there is thus one in principle another in name only. Health-exercise: water/spirit-boxing, water-style, water-boxing, water-spirit, water-method-qi-gong, spirit-method-exercise, spirit-dream.

 

==TAOIST
3.  Hua Shan, Shaanxi; Taoist Mt. of  West,    19. Zhong Nan Shan, Shaanxi 
1.  Heng Shan Nan, Hunan; Taoist Mt. of  South 
2.  Heng Shan Bei, Shanxi; Taoist Mt. of  North
 
4.  Tai Shan, Shandong; Taoist Mt. of  East
5.  Tong Shan, Henan; Taoist Mt. of  Center
==BUDDHIST
8.  Jiu Hua Shan, Anhui; Buddhist Mt. of  South.
6.  Emei Shan, Sichuan; Buddhist Mt. of  West.
7.  Wu Tai Shan, Shanxi, Buddhist Mt. of  North.

9.  Pu Tuo Shan, Zhejiang; Buddhist Mt. of  East
 
10.  Huang Shan, Anhui;   31. Qi Yun Shan, Anhui  (Taoist Mt.)
23.  Wu Dang Shan, Hubei;   34. Huang Mei Shan, Hubei
Famous Chinese Peaks: 'Mount Wudang is located near the Shiyan City, northwest of Hubei Province. It is southeast of Mt. Hua Shan...Local people call it another name: Mount Tai He or Mount XuanYue.'