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Teachers are people and often learn from other teachers, as friends or not.
 
Xing-Yi grandmaster  : Kuo Yun-shen
....taught :   Sun Lu-tang and Wang Xiang-zhai 
  • Sun Lu-tang  ==>friends with<==teacher  Wu Yi-hui  [ Nanjing ]
  • Wang Xiang-zhai  ==>friends with<==Wu Yi Hui
  • Wang's Yi-Quan students were taught Nanjing-66 LHBF : [ x5 ]
   who taught= { inter actively }==>
        Han Xing-ch'iao <---------->Chen Yik-yan [ not applied ]
        Han Xing-yuan   < ---------->Li Chung  [ created Hua Yue Tai-Chi- ]
Note: Msr Han was close friends with Li Chung and actually would be a major influence of redesigning LHBF to conform to Yi-chuan foundation principles. To distinguish this retrofitting, Msr Li refered to it as 'Hua-Yue' Tai-Chi-.

Yi Quan Teacher
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Msr.Han XingYuan

YI-QUAN ~ LIU-HE-BA-FA :
The Zhan-Zhung-Qi-Gong and its principles were taught between the Yi-Quan and the LHBF school; later teachers have used the more simple YiQuan to explain the more complex LHBF. Thus, what is different, what is the same or similar, and can they be matrixed together or has this been done already.
LHBF: has verifiable inputs from the staff at the Nanjing Martial Academy :
 
 Liuhebafa Chuan (六合八法 ) Lu Hong Ba Shih 呂紅八勢
and a diversity of Shaolin boxing  ( 少林拳 )
 
YiQuan : also have verifiable inputs from the tests and challenges of Wang. 
 
 Yiquan ( 意拳 ) Zi Ran Men (自然門) Fujian White Crane ( 白鶴拳 ) Xingyiquan ( 形意拳 ) Tai Chi Chuan ( 太極拳 ) Baguazhang ( 八卦掌) Shuai Chiao ( 摔跤 ) and significantly, xinyi-ba  心意把
 
Their common bridge for crossover and mutalizing comes from :
 
 ZuZhi : Zhan Zhuang  :   築基 : 站桩功
'water-flow-swimming' :  'health dance' : standing-post
 
However, Note :
   The LHBF system, begins with a theoretical teaching, the six combinations and the eight methods, each is bundled and hampered by explaining concepts difficult to rationalize: chi, jin, shen.
The YiQuan system, begins without any theoretical teachings, the student is
to enwrap himself in intuitive-feeling to 'understand' rather than intellectualize.
 
Crossovers :
  • Wang Xiang-zhai ~ Kuo LienPing [founder Kuo-Ping Qigong / tai-chi-]
  • Han Xing-qiao [YiQuan, Liu Ho Pa Fa; elder brother of Han XingYuan]
  • Han Xin-yuan ~ John Chung Li [founder HuaYo-TaiChi]
  • Han Xing-yuan ~ Choi Wai-lun [lineage holder LHBF]
  • Han Xing-yuan ~ Jiu Mun-jiiao [student of Chen YY and Ho LingTze]
  • Han XingQin ~ Chen YikYan
  •  
    Principle-People-Connections :  Anecdotes
    Wang Xiang-zhai (1886-1963), [aka. Nibao, Zhenghe or Yuseng (Monk of Universe)] was best and last student of Guo YunShen (Kuo Yun Shen),  master of xingyi quan (hsing-i ch'uan). Wang Xiang-zhai is believed to have learned all the secrets of Guo Yunshen's zhan zhuang exercises, which exercises became later the most characteristic element of yiquan

    During a visit in Shanghai Wang met Wu Yihui; they likely stayed together at a teacher-friends' house.  Wang  respected the ability and knowledge of Wu Yi-hui. There is no evidence that Wu defeated Wang, but there is evidence of the association between these schools and their students cross-training. When later asked whom he would describe as 'great masters he'd met', he named only these three: History http://www.yiquan.com.pl/history.html

  • Wu YiHui - master of LiuHeBaFa [footnote]
  • Jie TieFu - excentric style master [who defeated Wang 10/10x]
  • Fang QiaZhuang - master of southern white crane style [who defeated Wang 6/10x]
  • [ Footnote : Wang, speaking politely and cryptically, actually said, in a public statement in 1928  :

    我在國內參學万余里,拜見拳家逾千人,

    堪稱通家者僅有兩個半人,

    即湖南解鐵夫,福建方恰庄与上海 吳翼翬耳。

    I have traveled across the country in research, engaging over a thousand people 千人 in martial combat, there have been only 2.5 people I could not defeat,

    namely : Hunan's. 湖南... Xie Tie Fu, 解鐵夫

    Fujian's 福建 ...Fang Yi Zhuang 方恰庄..and

    Shanghai's 上海 ...Wu Yi Hui.吳翼翬

       The various commentators on this quote, do not addend that Msrs. Wu and Wang were fellow school teachers at the Nanjing Martial Academy [as was also Sun Lu Tang] and that they permitted cross training of yi-quan to LHBF [Han Xing-qiao] and that Msr. Sun's student Ho xin was taught 'water' boxing.

    They also do not addend that upon further training Msr. Wangs' skills were 'greatly' improved via Ziranmen and Bai He boxing. Or that the 'shaolin' monk who taught the foundamentals of yiquan to Wang later went on to lay the foundation of the Japanese 'Shorinji Kempo.'

      Wang and Wu had respect for the others abilities and knowledge; there exists no evidence about who taught who or what was cross-exchanged. [more likely, nothing] ZhanZhuang is more indigenous to YiQuan than it is to the usual LHBF teachings. There is known contacts in each lineage: students of Wang, Han XingQin, Han Xing-yuan have been friends and competitor-school-styles in China and in HongKong. There is no 'consolidation' otherwise between these schools or peoples. It is interesting that although modern YiQuan continues to evolve and absorb principles and that a direct mixing of these three together has not been done. The LHBF includes elements from all three of these exercises. 

     

    Natural Health Dance
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    of Wang Xiang-zhai

    A Notable Change : 

    Yang Sheng : 養生 , Jian Wu : 健舞

       Later in his life, Wang decided that a Yi Quan without martial intent was also valuable and produced an exercise  based on free-flow as a priority to set-stance forms-play. These can be viewed as taught by his later proteges. 

    Yang Sheng, http://www.yiquan.com/v3/en/file/yangsheng.htm

    Yi Quan with the feet evenly spaced, 'imagining' wind, wading slowly
    in a  flowing river or a  shallow sea, feeling, feeling ones' way'
     
    From and taught by Yao Cheng Guang, President of Beijing ZongXun WuGuan, Beijing Institute of Yi Quan.
     
    Jian Wu, Health Dance : http://www.yiquan.com.pl/artykuly/engjianwu.html
    Esentially the practice of YiQuan as a health-dance toexpress the espirit of
    health 'like floating clouds and flowing water'.
    From and taught by Yao Cheng Guang.
     
       The waterspirit method which I have developed reworks LiuHe BaFa without the baggage of marital intent and methods, and archaic theories ...and reduces it to only two simple psi-qi principles; it is thus more probable to develop the spirit-path aspect without the inherent limits of martial form-intent.

    Yiquan (mind-intuitive boxing)
        Founded Wang Xiangzhai (1885-1963) has also been called  Da Cheng (great achievement) as an equivalent name and also as Da Cheng to distinguish it [ thus yiquan may equal da cheng or it may not ]. 
       It was created from Xing yi quan (Hsing-I chuan) with influence from Ba gua zhang (Pakua Chang) and Tai Chi quan (Tai Chi Chuan). Yiquan is not a summation of their forms, it is reduction to their core principles. Other Chinese systems having influence on Yiquan : white-crane, mantis, natual-style and non-chinese western boxing. 
       Yiquan (mind boxing), places attention to intuitve-mind-feelings training; it relies on intrinsic-intuitive-form unlike most of Chinese exercise forms which rely on martial techniques. Yiquan develops bodily-perception of force, thus achieving mind-body unity. Yiquan is based on natural human abilities, benneng and on developing spontaneity, yi chu ji fa, when contacted, immediately issue force, fajing.

    Practice consists of two parts :
    Basic training : zhan zhuang (standing post), slow movement exercises shi li and moca bu, explosively issuing force fa li and voice/breath practice shi sheng.

    Fight training : consists of tui shou (pushing hands) and san shou (learning free fighting).  Yiquan uses punching, chopping, hitting with elbows, knees, head, shoulders, hips and kicking, and also throwing opponent down and throwing him away. Tui shou prepares for san shou, when there is contact with an opponent it develops the ability to affecting an opponents balance and seeks and creats opportunities.
     
    Influences upon Wang Xiang-zhai:
       The simple often said story, is that Msr. Wang met challenges and made challenges and when asked, gave a cryptic reply regarding whom he respected.
    What is usually missing, is that Msr Wang also advanced his basics to advanced levels by studying at Shaolin Temple the archaic xin-yi-ba 心意把 from pre-modern forms.

    Excentric [ Natural ] style:   Jie Tie-fu , Xie Tie-fu, 解 鐵 夫
       ' Nature Boxing  School' (Tzu-jan men p'ai / Zirenmen), a style said to be created by a wushu master nicknamed 'Dwarf  Xu' of Szu-ch'uan Province  who lived at the end of the Qing Dynasty.  
       This style was standardized by Tu Hsin-wu/ Du Xin-wu of Hunan province.  The Nature school is primarily practiced in Hunan and Fukien provinces. Du Xin-wu's top student was Wan Lai-sheng.  One of the principles of the Nature School is to make the hands as soft as cotton and the trunk as hard as iron. The Nature School emphasizes training in: jing, qi, and shen. ', innate-force, flowing-force, and espirit, spiritual-lead.

    Yi Quan - History Accounts And Anecdotes :
    '... In Hubei province Wang learned from excentric master Jie Tie-fu. ... At that time he met masters of southern white crane style - Fang Qiazhuang and Jin ... ' 
    '... Then in Hunan province he met excentric master Jie ... Jie Tiefu's nephew said then that his uncle would be proud'.  http://www.yiquan.com/pl/history.html

       "In 1918 Wang left Beijing and went southwards to search for the greatest masters of martial arts."
      "First he went to Shaolin temple where he learned xin-yi-ba 心意把 (a system related to xing-yi-quan) from monk Henglin (also known as Changlin or Xianglin - later Doshin So, founder of Shorinji Kempo learned from the same monk).
       "Then in Hunan province he met excentric master Jie Tiefu, known as Jie the Madman. They fought ten times and Wang was defeated each time. Then Wang suggested using weapons. Jie said: "Weapon is only extention of body. You couldn't defeat me without weapon, with weapon result will be the same." They used wooden staffs and Wang was defeated again. Wang, ashamed, intended to go off, but Jie said: "And what? You will practice three years, and then come back to fight with me again? Better stay with me. We can teach each other. I met many good fighters, but you are best of them." Wang learned form Jie for over a year, and it was very important for further development of Wang's martial art. When Wang was leaving, Jie said that he was not sure about south, but in north of Yangtzi there was nobody who could equal Wang. Later, in 1940s a middle aged man came to Beijing, saying that he was Jie Tie-fu's nephew. He said that in his testimony Jie let him check if Jie's teachings were continued. Wang Xiangzhai asked one of his students - Yao Zong-xun (a later Wang successor) to demonstrate some skills. Jie Tie-fu's nephew said then that his uncle would be proud."
    References :

    Southern White Crane style : 白鶴拳
       Fang Qia-Zhuang,方恰庄, a disciple handed from the master directly of the
    Xin-yi School of Fujian Shaolin Temple

      "In 1923 Wang Xiang-zhai together with Xu Shu-zheng went to Fujian province and became instructor of martial art in this province's army. He met there Fang Qia Zhuang, a master of southern white crane style. Of ten fights Wang lost six. But Fang said that he doesn't regard himself as winner, because there is very little difference between their skill level. In the same year Wang met another master of white crane style - Jin Shao-feng, with whom he practiced and disputed a lot."
    References :

    References : 

    Teachers living in the same locale often visit and exchange teachings:
     
    John Chung Li  <==> T.T. (Tung Tsai) Liang.
    LHPF teacher John Chung Li while in Boston was persuaded by his 'tea' friend Yang Family Cheng Man-ch'ing-style Tai-chi teacher T.T. Liang to adjust his the lackluster marketing success of teaching LiuHeBaFa to the Americans, by renaming it HuaYo-T'ai Chi [as it already was a mix of LHBF-styles with Yi Quan Mr. Li learned while in Hong Kong from Han Xing-yuan] see YMAA publications  Mr. Li would have actually had more success, especially with the Chinese, if he had called it Mt.Hua Tai Chi, or as 'hua shan' Tai Chi- as both a symbol of achievement, a source of legends and of Hong Kong movies already well known to asians. http://waterspirit6x8.tripod.com/id45.html
    [Comment: There is a counter story to this, that Liang Zhi-peng, LiChung's teacher in HK thought up this marketing name change.]

    Sun LuTang~'water'style boxing, Shanghai
    Sun LuTang, famous xing-yi teacher, had daily 'afternoon' tea with a 'waterstyle' teacher. This unnamed waterstyle teacher taught what he knew to master Sun's student: Mr. Ho LingTze. Msr. Sun is well-known for his open exchanging of knowledge and for his development of the Wu-style of Tai-chi exercise.