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Teachers are people and often learn from other teachers, as friends or not.
 
Xing-Yi grandmaster  :
Kuo Yun Shen taught:   
  • Sun LuTang  =====friends with===??waterstyle teacher
  • Wang Xiang Zhai  ===friends with==Wu Yi Hui taught LHBF:
                               X------------------------------------------X
                                 =who taught= {interteaching}==
                                Han Xing-Ch'iao <---------->Chen Yik-Yan,
                                Han Xing-Yuan   < ----------->Li Chung 'john'

 

Yi Quan Teacher
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Msr.Han XingYuan

YI-QUAN ~ LIU-HE-BA-FA :
The Zhan-Zhung-Qi-Gong and its principles were taught between the Yi-Quan and the LHBF school; later teachers have used the more simple YiQuan to explain the more complex LHBF. Thus, what is different, what is the same or similar, and can they be matrixed together or has this been done already.
  • Wang XiangZhai ~ Kuo LienPing [founder Kuo-Ping Qigong/tai-chi]
  • Han Xing-Zh'iao (YiQuan, Liu Ho Pa Fa; elder brother of Han XingYuan)
  • Han XingYuan ~ John Chung Li [founder HuaYo-TaiChi]
  • Han XingYuan ~ Choi Wai Lun [lineage holder LHBF]
  • Han XingYuan ~ Jiu MoonChiao [student of Chen YY and Ho LingTze]
  • Han XingQin ~ Chen YikYan
  •  
    Principle-People-Connections:  Anecdotes
    Wang XiangZhai (1886-1963), [aka. Nibao, Zhenghe or Yuseng (Monk of Universe)] was best and last student of Guo YunShen (Kuo Yun Shen),  master of xingyiquan (hsing-i ch'uan). Wang Xiangzhai is believed to have learned all the secrets of Guo Yunshen's zhan zhuang exercises, which exercises became later the most characteristic element of yiquan

    During a visit in Shanghai Wang met Wu Yihui; they likely stayed together at a teacher-friends' house.  Wang  respected the ability and knowledge of Wu YiHui. There is no evidence that Wu defeated Wang, but there is evidence of the association between these schools and their students cross-training. When later asked whom he would describe as 'great masters he'd met', he named only these three: History http://www.yiquan.com.pl/history.html

  • Wu YiHui - master of LiuHeBaFa [footnote]
  • Jie TieFu - excentric style master [who defeated Wang 10/10x]
  • Fang QiaZhuang - master of southern white crane style [who defeated Wang 6/10x]
  • [Footnote: Wang, speaking politely and cryptically, actually said, 'two and a half' matched with him; thus, if the competition pattern was x10 matches, Fang was the 'half'  win/loss and both Msr. Jie and Wu were the other 'ones' Wang respected.]
  •   Wang and Wu had respect for the others abilities and knowledge; there exists no evidence about who taught who or what was cross-exchanged. [more likely, nothing] ZhanZhuang is more indigenous to YiQuan than it is to the usual LHBF teachings. There is known contacts in each lineage: students of Wang, Han XingQin, Han XingYuan have been friends and competitor-school-styles in China and in HongKong. There is no 'consolidation' otherwise between these schools or peoples. It is interesting that although modern YiQuan continues to evolve and absorb principles and that a direct mixing of these three together has not been done. The LHBF includes elements from all three of these exercises. 

    Later in his life, Wang decided that a YiQuan without martial intent was also valuable and produced an exercise  based on free-flow as a priority to set-stance forms-play. These can be viewed as taught by his later proteges. 

    Yang Sheng Zhuang, http://www.yiquan.com/v3/en/file/yangsheng.htm

    YiQuan with the feet evenly spaced, 'imagining' wind, wading slowly in a flowing river or a
    shallow sea, feeling, feeling ones' way' http://www.yiquan.com/v3/en/file/YangSheng.pdf
    From and taught by Yao Cheng Guang, President of Beijing ZongXun WuGuan, Beijing Institute of YiQuan.
     
    JianWu, YiQuan Health Dance  http://www.yiquan.com.pl/artykuly/engjianwu.html
    Esentially the practice of YiQuan as a health-dance to
    express the espirit of health 'like floating clouds and flowing water'. From and taught by Yao Cheng Guang.
     
    The waterspirit method which I have developed reworks LiuHeBaFa without the baggage of marital intent and methods, ...reduces it to only two simple psi-qi principles; it is thus more probable to develop the spirit-path aspect without the inherent limits of martial form-intent.
    Nanking-China: LiuHeBaFa-exercise system, the creation of Wu YiHui
       Historical lineage for the water-style exercise to the LiuHeBaFa qigong-boxing exercise.There is evidence that water-style in Anhui and Shanghai provinces seems to differ from the 'LiuHeBaFa' system that was taught in Nanking later. The signifcant aspect of 'water' style, is its' manner of weaving together the basic principles inherent in all 'internal' styles in a characteristic flowing: swimming-chasing-following. 
       The story that LHBF originated from Chen Hsi-I is generally accepted as a myth; a more plausible story is that it  begins with the teachings of : Lee, FungTung and his student Sung, TungYuen.
     
      Wu YiHui claims to have been taught by three teachers in 'Pianliang', Pinyin adjustment makes it plausible that this was a mis-spelling of Pianling, which is only about 60 miles of Wu's hometown, Tieling; this can be considered as the modern 'input' of water-style to the 'HuaYo'-XinYi-Liu He Ba Fa boxing-system which is of Nanking, China.

    <1>  Yan, GuoXing,  (Yin, KwokHing)
    <2>  Chan, GuangBi,  (Chan, KongDai)
    <3>  Chan, HeLu,  (Chan, HokKung)
     
    Public-Emergence: exercises taught are a matrix of qigong, with martial principles gathered through the teachers and friends of Wu YiHui, then Director of the Nangking Academy of Martial Arts. It is generally surmised that upon qigong principles and forms, the LHBF of Wu YiHui includes elements from LiuHe-XinYi and its' auxilliary 'animal' forms, elements and principles from taichi and from MiZong-I BaGua; additional external exercises where adapted [to internal], from several southern 'swimming-dragon' styles incusive. This collective body of exercises is now only taught by lineage successor Choi WaiLun as taught to him by Chen YikYan of HongKong.
     

    Wu YiHui
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    Stop-at-the-Cliff

    LiuHeBaFA~Other Styles-Exchanged:

    Wu Yi-Hui, in creating the modern LiuHeBaFa-system, added training forms  [external-styles reworked by Wu]

    • LiuHung's Eight-Link Palms,
    • Coiled Dragon Fist,
    • Coiled Dragon Swimming,
    • Dragon and Tiger Fighting.
    • 12-Animal forms, 3-levels

     

    Wu YiHui had contact with other master-teachers of inner-style martial-exercises:

    • Xing-Yi teacher:  Ch'u Kuei-Ting, Nanking
    • Ba-Gua teacher:  Chiang Jung-Ch'aio, Nanking
    • Yi-Quan-ZhanZhuang : Wang XiangZhai, Shanghai
    • Yi-Quan-ZhanZhuang : Han XingChiao, Nanking

    Nanking-1950
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    Teacher-Exchange

    At the National College of Martial Arts in Nanking (Nanking Central Kuo Shu Kuan).
    Back row (L-R):

    Chan YikYan   (Wu Yik Fan's LHPF successor, Wai Lun Choi's teacher)
    Han Hsing-Ch'iao    (YiQuan, Liu Ho Pa Fa; elder brother of Han XingYuan)
    Yin T'ien-Hsiung   (Lu Hung's Eight-Link Palms ).
    Front row (L-R):
    Chiang Jung-Ch'aio  (Pa Kua, Hsing-I, Tai Chi), Director of Programs
    Wu Yik Fan   (Liu Ho Ba Fa Founder), Dean of Studies
    Chang Chih-Chiang (Liu Ho Pa Fa), Chancellor
    Ch'u Kuei-Ting (Hsing-I, Pa Kua)

    Chang Chih-Chiang, Chiang Jung-Ch'iao, Chen Yik Yan, Yin T'ien-Hsiung
    were all Liu Ho Pa Fa students of Wu Yik Fan.
    Before Wu Yik Fan, Chen Yik Yan had studied Tai Chi, Hsing-I and Pa Kua
    with Chiang Jung-Ch'iao, Ch'u Kuei-Ting and Han Hsing-Ch'iao.

    Teachers living in the same locale often visit and exchange teachings:
     
    John Chung Li ~ T.T. (Tung Tsai) Liang.
    LHPF teacher John Chung Li while in Boston was persuaded by his 'tea' friend Chen ManChing-style Yang-tai-chi teacher T.T. Liang to adjust his the lackluster marketing success of teaching LiuHeBaFa, by renaming it HuaYo-T'ai Chi [as it already was a mix of LHBF-styles with YiQuan Mr. Li learned while in HongKong from Han XingYuan] see YMAA publications  Mr. Li would have actually had more success, especially with the chinese, if he had called it Mt.Hua Tai Chi, as 'hua shan' is both a symbol of achievement, a source of legends and of hongkong movies.

    Sun Lu-Tang
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    Sun LuTang~'water'style boxing, Shanghai
    Sun LuTang, famous xing-yi teacher, had daily 'afternoon' tea with a 'waterstyle' teacher. This unnamed waterstyle teacher taught what he knew to master Sun's student: Mr. Ho LingTze. Msr. Sun is well-known for his open exchanging of knowledge and for his development of the
    Wu-style of Tai-chi exercise.
     
    Mr. Ho LingTze
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    St.Marys' Park, San Francisco
    Ho LingTze~ Kuo LienYing
    While teaching in San Francisco, Mr. Ho was also a 'tea' friend ot master Kuo. Khan Foxx was the private student of both Mr. Ho and Mr.Kuo, learning both adaptions of YiQuan-Zhan Zhuang qigong, Sun-style SanTi-qigong, and Mr. Kuo's 'universal post' either his own or that from Wang XiangZhai.  [Mr.Kuo after finishing his morning class in Portsmouth Square would walk over to Mr.Ho's class in St.Mary's Park]. Ho is reputed also to be a story source for the Deng Ming-Dao Wandering Taoist series: [also, said of influence on StarWars themes; he was the closest in personality to a Master Yoda that I have met].
    Ch'u Kuei-Ting
    Hsing-I, Pa Kua Associate-Teacher
     
    Chiang Jung-Ch'aio
    (Pa Kua, Hsing-I, Tai Chi): Associate-teacher
     

    Yiquan (mind-intuitive boxing)
    [founder Wang Xiangzhai (1885-1963) successor Yao Zongxun (1917-1985)] is also called  DaCheng (great achievemen) as an equivalent name and as DaCheng to distinguish it [thus yiquan=dacheng or not]. It was created from Xingyiquan (Hsing-I chuan) with influence from Baguazhang (Pakua Chang) and Taijiquan (Tai Chi Chuan). Yiquan is not a summation of their forms, it is reduction to their principles. Other Chinese systems had influence on yiquan [white-crane, mantis, natual-style]; non-chinese western boxing is significant also. Yiquan (mind boxing), places attention to intuitve-mind-feelings training; it relies on intrinsic-intuitive-form unlike most of Chinese exercise forms which rely on martial techniques. Yiquan develops bodily-perception of force, thus achieving mind-body unity. Yiquan is based on natural human abilities, benneng and on developing spontaneity, yi chu ji fa, when contacted, immediately issue force, fajing.  

    Practice consists of two parts:

    Basic training: zhan zhuang (standing post), slow movement exercises shi li and moca bu, explosively issuing force fa li and voice/breath practice shi sheng.

    Fighting training: consists of tui shou (pushing hands) and san shou (learning free fighting).  Yiquan uses punching, chopping, hitting with elbows, knees, head, shoulders, hips and kicking, and also throwing opponent down and throwing him away. Tui shou prepares for san shou, when there is contact with an opponent it develops the ability to affecting an opponents balance and seeks and creats opportunities.

    Excentric style:   Jie TieFu -

    http://www.wuji.com/tchoung.html
    http://www.wuji.com/  http://www.wuji.com/contents.html

    ' Nature Boxing  School' (Tzu-jan p'ai/Zirenmen), a style said to be created by a wushu master nicknamed Dwarf  Xu of Szu-ch'uan Province  who lived at the end of the Qing Dynasty.  This style was standardized by Tu Hsin-wu/Du Xinwu of Hunan province.  The Nature school is primarily practiced in Hunan and Fukien provinces. Du Xinwu's top student was Wan Laisheng.  One of the principles of the Nature School is to make the hands as soft as cotton and the trunk as hard as iron. The Nature School emphasizes training in: jing, qi, and shen. '

    YIQUAN - HISTORY ACCOUNTS AND ANECDOTES
    '... In Hubei province Wang learned from excentric master Jie Tiefu. ... At that time he met masters of southern white crane style - Fang Qiazhuang and Jin ... ' http://www.yiquan.com/pl/history.html

    '... Then in Hunan province he met excentric master Jie ... Jie Tiefu's nephew said then that his uncle would be proud'.

    "In 1918 Wang left Beijing and went southwards to search for the greatest masters of martial arts. First he went to Shaolin temple where he learned xinyiba (a system related to xingyiquan) from monk Henglin (also known as Changlin or Xianglin - later Doshin So, founder of Shorinji Kempo learned from the same monk). Then in Hunan province he met excentric master Jie Tiefu, known as Jie the Madman. They fought ten times and Wang was defeated each time. Then Wang suggested using weapons. Jie said: "Weapon is only extention of body. You couldn't defeat me without weapon, with weapon result will be the same." They used wooden staffs and Wang was defeated again. Wang, ashamed, intended to go off, but Jie said: "And what? You will practice three years, and then come back to fight with me again? Better stay with me. We can teach each other. I met many good fighters, but you are best of them." Wang learned form Jie for over a year, and it was very important for further development of Wang's martial art. When Wang was leaving, Jie said that he was not sure about south, but in north of Yangtzi there was nobody who could equal Wang. Later, in 1940s a middle aged man came to Beijing, saying that he was Jie Tiefu's nephew. He said that in his testimony Jie let him check if Jie's teachings were continued. Wang Xiangzhai asked one of his students - Yao Zongxun (later Wang's successor) to demonstrate some skills. Jie Tiefu's nephew said then that his uncle would be proud."
    http://www.yiquan.com/pl/anecdotes.html

    Southern white crane style:

    http://www.yiquan.com.pl/anecdotes.html
    http://yiquan.com.pl/anecdotes.html | http://yiquando.com/35.html

    Fang QiaZhuang, a disciple handed from the master directly of the Xinyi School of Fujian Shaolin Temple "In 1923 Wang Xiangzhai together with Xu Shuzheng went to Fujian province and became instructor of martial art in this province's army. He met there Fang Qiazhuang, a master of southern white crane style. Of ten fights Wang lost six. But Fang said that he doesn't regard himself as winner, because there is very little difference between their skill level. In the same year Wang met another master of white crane style - Jin Shaofeng, with whom he practiced and disputed a lot."