names and places :
boxing : 水拳 shui chuan, [ this is true as a principle and association, but there is no evidence
it existed in the Song Dynasty nor was created by philosopher Chen Tuan, Msr. Xi-yi.
>>Henan: Southern Style : 104-form style, 一百零四
>>Shandong: Northern Style : 96-form style, 九十六
Input to Public : 六合八法 拳 : Shanghai,
Nanjing, Hong Kong...
Shanghai-water-style : 上海水拳 "shui chuan, water boxing"
>>66-Form LHBF's :
Shanghai-LHBF: 上海 六合八法
拳 Form Number ?? 96??
[aka 水拳 shui chuan, Shanghai water boxing] Wu Yi-hui 吳翼翬
Nanjing-LHBF : 南京 六合八法 拳 Wu Yi-hui
Hong Kong-LHBF : 香港 六合八法
HK Chen Yik-yan : 陳亦人 六合八法 拳 [
Search : Style-Search :
It is one issue to search for information on LiuHe BaFa and its' related identifiers and
related exercise subjects. It is another when considering 'styling'. Most of the ignorati at the American or European
websites, claim or mimic the claim that there does not exist 'styles' of LHBF; this is factually untrue.
First by the evidence of styles with principles from other CIMA; thus
Tai-Chi-LHBF, Ba-Gua-LHBF, Xing-yi-LHBF, and Yi-quan-LHBF. Each exists either through the limitations of the teacher or due
to the favortisms of a teacher.
Second, by evidence of naming in Chinese in the usual Chinese practice.
Thus, a student may deviate enough from a teacher and wishes to identify his
'stylization' such as Han-family style of xyz-exercise. Sometimes the naming is only intended
as saying LHBF as done by a teacher; but in reality, it becomes the same as saying 'this teachers'-LHBF'.
An example of a cross-over with a renaming to 'appear' different, but in actuality to remain the same derives
from HK-to-Boston teacher Li Chung's naming of
華嶽 太極拳 Hua Yu=Hwa Yue Tai Chi, technically a LHBF is classified as a Tai Chi while
also including elements of Yi-Quan but not of the hun yuan-spiraling. This type of merging to enhance is becoming more
common, even in China.
An example of cross-over with reduction is the 108-Tai-chi-LHBF-form, per Moy Lin-shin (Mei Lian-xian,( 梅連羨) in Canada which is Yang Tai chi-focused to reduce and amend LHBF.
[ This school is currently split
into preserving the creation of Msr. Moy and those who wish to return the forms to being more as LHBF. ]
====Adapted Names in History :
Note : In the LHBF Book of Chen Yik-yan, the history, locale,
and distribution of LHBF is given. Due to its numerous locales, it is doubtful that it is as 'rare' as most
believe or that some authors would want you to believe.
The major distinction made seems to be between the LHBF of Wu Yi-hui while in Najing being preferred to
that from other locales and older times.
“ In Chen Yi-Ren's writing, he said that
Wang De-Wei [ 王德威 ] ( of Xian Yang )
>> changed LHBF to water fist,
>> later the art was passed to a daoist Yuan Rong, [ 蓉园 ]???rong yuan ]
who practiced it as Yuan Tong Ba Fa ( 元通八法 ).
>> Then LHBF was disseminated to people staying between
Sichuan and ShaanXi;
>>especially among the people with surname Ye ( 叶) and Li ( 李).
>> Later Yang Jing-Qun [ 杨景群 ] of Fang Shan [ 房山 ]
>> used ( this type of ) Xin Yi Liu He, [ 心意六合拳
to treat the sick, and
>> changed its name to 先天十二势. Shang Tien Sz Er Shi-
This excerpt appears to be from 'drifting' at rumsoakedfist forum.
which in some regards assists with identity-source...and it also implies that everyone is totally distinct,
this partly the fault of Chinese language:
ie. Japan LHBF rather than LHBF as taught in Japan.
希夷門華嶽心意六合八法, Xi-Yi sect of Hua Shan core ideas LHBF
華嶽心意六合八法拳 Hua Yue-mountains-LHBF
吴翼翬六合八法, Wu Yi-hui-[ founder]- LHBF; Nanjing.
Lu Gui-yao-LHBF, Foshan
Peter Ziboce LHBF; HK
Chen Yik-Yan-LHBF, HK
金童六合八法, Kam Tung LHBF, HongKong
六合八法太极拳, LHBF+Tai Chi-
Taoist [ LHBF ] Tai Chi-
Lu Hong 8-Imperatives
Questionable : in processing..
>Hong Kong : 香港--pre-Nanjing ??? Wu
>Sun Lu-tang 孫祿堂 each afternoon for tea;Nanjing
'Shanghai 'water-boxing to Sun's student Ho xing, 何星子 [-'Lao Fook'---老傅-].
is either an early Shanghai or a so-called HuaYue XiYi Sect variation.
Liu2 San1 mu4, 劉三穆 (Lau
Saam Mok) style :
Student/ sponsor of Chen Yik-yan 陳亦人 in Hong Kong
Wu Yi-hui 吳翼翬 to learn a 'longer series' variation..and was expelled for asking.
Matrix Hybrid styles:
Xin' -styles Zhang LHBF : 張長信 六合八法,
mixes Yiquan with bagua and
LHBF Zhu ji chuan' 築基拳
It is also historically known that knowledgeable
teachers of LHBF created their own
being questioned :
'style' and that Pan1 Yan2 Liu2 潘炎流 created
a Pan Yan Flow =LHBF
潘炎流 六合八法拳. This is taught intact would
have been passed through
teacher Zhou Shu-sheng 周树生 to teacher Helen Liang which it seems it did
Although this style is called both LHBF and water boxing,
it is clearly influenced by the prior traing in Snake style and Emei style which her father is noted for. Thus this lineage
should be listed as:
Wu Yi-hui, 吴翼翚 founder Nanjing-66
>Pan1 Yan2 Liu2 潘炎流 one of 25 certified Nanjing teachers
周树生 currently teaching in Singapore
>>>Helen Liang [ Liang, Hao; 梁好 ]
>Liang, Shou-yu 梁守渝 [ daughter teaching to her father ]
>>>> Derek Cheng
鄭 [full chinese name unknown]
>>>>Wu Wen ching 吴雯青 Teaches at Way of the Dragon
School, Rhode Island
Thus, currently 梁好家 - 六合八法拳 Liang Hao
Jia-LHBF would be this style.
Alternate Styles :
水拳 shui chuan, water boxing variations.
Ziboce zen style : IMA matrix in one form-series.
Principle addended exercises :
六心合 Liu hsin he "Idea Six Combination"
Shen hsin "Idea Spiritual Kung Fu.
元拳 Yon-boxing =Yuan = Hun Yuan 混元拳 [ addended by Li Chung ]